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April 14, 2005

Male Makeup Suspension

So, some male student has been suspended for five days for wearing makeup to school.

Student Claims Suspension Due to Makeup

OK, short of having a penis on his forehead written in eyeliner, five days is probably a bit excessive, regardless of the circumstances. When one looks at this they can only think that yes, it is unfair. If girls can wear makeup, why not the boys?

I'll buy that. So long as no one starts a big fuss when those makeup wearing boys are being ridiculed. Kids can be mean to one another, it's part of life. Is it ok to make fun of each other? No, but it happens, deal with it, move on. The problem is any boy who wears girl makeup is going to be made fun of by his peers. That's life. No amount of education will ever change that.

But this is different. This kid is apparently wearing some religious, black lipstick and red eye makeup. Huh?

This kid is a freak, plain and simple. He should be kicked out of school until he learns some sense, because what's going to happen is he's going to be ridiculed, then blame the "jocks," bring a gun to school, start shooting others, then society will blame people for singling him out for being different.

What a crock of shit. The person who has done the singling out is the kid himself. No one is forcing this. Suspending kids for stupidity is normal. A kid smokes pot, gets suspended. No one argues that smoking pot is a smart thing to do. In particular, if caught on campus, then that is stupid. Bringing a knife to school is stupid. Theatening teachers is stupid. Vandalizing is stupid. ANYONE showing up to school with black lipstick and red eye makeup on is stupid.

No, it doesn't affect anyone else, until something happens that actually does hurt someone. Someone says something, tempers flare, fists are thrown, you get the idea.

Should he be suspended? Probably not, he's a moron, so is his mom. A more appropriate action would be to throw her in jail for child endangerment.

Of course, NONE of this even addresses the fact that rights as are expressed and understood as citizens do not apply equally across the board on school campuses. Freedom of expression? No. At least not to the same extent as elsewhere.

I say let them sue, the Supreme Court has been pretty clear on these sorts of things in the past. This kid, while perhaps not violent, in a high school environment, is not safe.



DB wrote

You don't see any difference between a knife or pot and makeup? i.e. legality? I can understand being suspended for those "stupid" things; not only are they direcly dangerous, they're illegal. But punishing this kid for his religious beliefs, different though they may be from yours, and then claiming it's for his own good? WTF? The boy is not Christian or even monotheistic. So naturally he's wrong, and should be told that everything he believes is a lie and he should stop with his silly rituals. And what's with those Jewish kids always wearing those little hats? Freaks.

I understand your objections to the possibility of this kid bringing a gun to school and hurting people, of course. I don't think anyone wants anything like that to ever happen again. But assuming that he's going to because he wears makeup is ignorant. The article doesn't mention the boy being ostracized for wearing the makeup by his peers, and he's been doing it for a year and a half without complaint or cessation. The only group to cause trouble for the boy is the administration, at least from the information we can gather here. Living in a high school environment, I can certainly testify that 17 year olds are not the nicest bunch, and typically not too forgiving either, especially when it comes to marked differences. But it doesn't seem like that's the problem here, and I'm pretty sure that that's not why the boy was suspended.

Douglas Nerad wrote
I agree with DB
Just because you look and act differently at HS doesn't mean you're necessarily a disruption, and it definately doesn't mean you will then go into the school and start killing people. Your logic is extremely faulty. I expect better. Throw the Mom in jail for child endangerment? That's just silly. What danger?

DB also brought up the Jewish kids wearing their Yarmulkas... will that also bring a suspension? Will wearing a cross on a necklace be next? If a Muslim girl decides to wear a burkah to school, will you call her a freak?

Personally I'm not religious, but so long as you're not pushing it on my like evangelizing born again Old Testament worshippers, then I don't care what religion you are. How you look is less important to me than how you act towards me, and I would expect anyone else to think the same as me in that respect.

The kid shouldn't have been suspended unless he was skipping, doing something patently illegal, or posed a clear and imminent threat to the school and its occupants. I think the kid might have shown a bit of poor judgement, but I can think of many kids in high school who show (or showed) poor judgement. They just never got caught.



TR wrote

It's about time someone said something.

God forbid someone disagree with YOUR beliefs, just go round about accusing people of this and that. I find it interesting how frequently, when there's a disagreement, it's "faulty reasoning." Personally, I don't give a shit if the kid wears a dress. Try being a teacher, looking at a kid that is ASKING to be made fun of, and then defending the kid because their feelings are hurt by a kid that does make fun of him/her. One has to support "diversity," that's a problem. The funny thing is, if that kid keeps doing what he's doing, he'll always be made fun of. My argument wasn't meant in complete seriousness, nor was one expected to take it seriously. That is, of course, until it actually happens. Do I believe it will? No, but this is one of those ridiculous things that can't be argued, becuase kids shoot up schools for much dumber reasons.

The administration draws attention to the problem by suspending the kid, and goes from being in the right by just letting it happen, to being in the wrong, for doing something about it. But freedom of expression isn't alive and well in high schools, nor should it be. If they determine that his dress is inappropriate, provided it's in the school district's by-laws, then they can do whatever they want, the kid can sue, etc.

The problem, and this is the ONLY reason I can agree on any level with the administration. IF something happens, and the administration does nothing, then the question is, "why didn't they do anything?"

Right, go ahead, give me the problem with that being a ridiculous argument. I agree, it is, but that's the dillema. The kid is a freak, they should staple him to the wall and be done with it.



NHK wrote

If the kid gets picked on, he can put up his fists and defend himself. Teachers and administrators aren't (or shouldn't be) there to defend his dubious fashion sense or protect him from bullying peers; rather, they are there to educate him. If the kid gets his ass kicked for wearing makeup and someone tries to hold the school accountable, they should be told to fuck off. I know that may not be 'how things actually work', but kids shouldn't be forced to dress a certain way or suspended just because to do so would be most convenient for school employees. And really, makeup? C'mon, I saw femme-y dudes wearing makeup at my H.S. twenty years ago! No one got shot and everyone learned how to fight. What could possibly be wrong with that?

Danny wrote
Remember Long Hairs
This male makeup thing reminds me of the days when long hair started to get popular. For a while it was hard to tell males from females but its not dangerous. It doesn't represent something distasteful unless the individual is violent, etc.

cam wrote
its makeup not face paint
well im starting a report on junior high boys that cant wear makeup, i wear makeup as well and i know how it feels but the funny thing is all these princibles are so dam concerned about boys in makeup well anyway i saw some pics of how the boys put on their makeup, well i belive boys deserve the privelage to wear makeup at school, but i also belive they should put it on properly.its makeup not halloween facepaint, use it propperly like the girls have to. do you think dads let their dautghers go outside with their makeup like kiss has theirs put on, its for natural beauty.

cam wrote
its makeup not face paint
well im starting a report on junior high boys that cant wear makeup, i wear makeup as well and i know how it feels but the funny thing is all these princibles are so dam concerned about boys in makeup well anyway i saw some pics of how the boys put on their makeup, well i belive boys deserve the privelage to wear makeup at school, but i also belive they should put it on properly.its makeup not halloween facepaint, use it propperly like the girls have to. do you think dads let their dautghers go outside with their makeup like kiss has theirs put on, its for natural beauty.

Spike wrote

Hi there I'm a guy, and I also wear make up, I agree it has to be put on properly (but properly s for me different then for you) but I dont think its a reason for suspension.. Tho I got kicked out of school cause of the way I dress, because it made people "depressed", anyway I dont do it for religious believes, I do it because I like it, while he does it for religious believes why cant people be the way they wanna be like, I mean if ur wearing a beard beause you think its pretty/cool/whatever you dont expect to get suspended too right? since beards are relious aspects in some cultures too, who are any of us to say something isnt "correct" who are we to judge? Also I give by this my opinion I dont say yours is wrong but think about it, who are you to judge about religion believes, I say treat others like you wanna be treated. And thats the way the cookie crumbles...

Kenneth wrote
What a load of shit
If I wanted to show up at school when I was still in High School with long hair, a skirt and high heels that is my right. I should not be thrown out of school for it. NOw it is other students right to tell me they don't like it. In fact if more Men were allowed to wear Skirts and other fashion meant for women I think there would be less violence in this world. May the next revolution bring skirt and high heels back to men where it belongs. Kenneth

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